My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. . Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) We are very romantic together and trust each other. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Thank you in advance. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Our situation was kind of complicated. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Its weird weird weird . Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. The Chiron return often coincides. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. It's more difficult if something like the 12th house is emphasized; all that energy pouring into a house whose task is to dissolve and resolve, to . Chiron in Taurus 12 th House. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. This resonates with me. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. hi dawn:) Unable to forget it? The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. It isnt bad, its difficult. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. #2. i think venus in the 12th would be a weak position for a composite chart because it is a cadent house . We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Just a knowing if you will. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? They seem bonded before a word is spoken. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. As someone with Chiron placed in 12th House, spirituality shapes your identity through isolation and imagination. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Another spin given to the 12th house . But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. They rip the rug from under you every other day. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. hello, nice article Dawn. This might lead to a sense of belonging and having a lot of things in common. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. Hi! We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. My english is not very good. Like me, two of my sisters have/had Chiron placements in Gemini. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. And what does it mean our 12th. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. . I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Any advice would be helpful. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. What is your thought on this. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Illusions yes I know. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Anything different there? I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. P.S. So beautifully written Dawn. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. ? Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Please your opinion. mercury and mercury conj. should i run away from this relationship? Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Im always attracted to those types of relationships His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. Chiron in Taurus 12 th House gives rise to feelings of dissatisfaction and indifference. I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. Chiron in the houses will show where your sign is expressed, including the location, the part of the psyche, the timeline, etc. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? So much uncertainty and confusion!! Dawn, thank you for writing this article. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. Dont worry, Evelyne. Thank you SO very much for this post. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. While this is tricky to do, it takes a bit of analysis and creativity. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Everything you said is so on point. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Beautiful article!! Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Because thats what it feels like! I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Sun conj. I read your article and its really touching! I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Two sides of the same coin. We fall, and find the world. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. Is Your experience the same? Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? Thanks for taking the time to respond. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House Its pretty rare. (like your name too. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. venus+mars, etc. So much more needs to be considered. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. what can we do here? We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Transit Moon in the Composite 6th House. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. !! Thank you for your answer. Thank you for your insight. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Is this why I am feeling this more? *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. intresting to know why its so bad. Something is whispering in their ears. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. That was over three years ago. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. They represent different aspects of a relationship. That may mean leaving you behind. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Am i trapping my self? Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Hes Gemini sun . It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. Chiron sextile or trine the Sun, Moon, . how this would manifest? I don know what to do. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Im trying to figure it out. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. This makes so much sense. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? or is it irrelevant ? So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head.
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